Couple of recent cases…

One of the most interesting posts recently was Zach’s post about what he could have done differently. Thought I would continue this trend and post a couple of cases that could have gone better and leave some things up for discussion. Case one here and two next post.

Case #1: 90 yo F h/o HTN and arthritis, restrained passenger of moderate speed MVA, driver was unharmed but car was going too fast and struck the back of a semi-truck. Extrication about 10 minutes. Patient c/o right leg pain and right forearm pain, skin tear to right arm and obvious Colles fracture and femur fracture likely as well on initial exam. No chest or abdominal pain. Kept in R9 for the potential femur fracture and age. Vital signs all been stable, patient a&ox3, talkative and despite mild pain appears in good spirits.

On initial exam, HR 96 and regular, 125/70, RR and temp normal. Pain controlled as long as not moving. Good breath sounds, minimal chest tenderness on palpation of sternum, abdomen and pelvis unremarkable. Placed in traction splint in R9 for significant pain and shortening of right leg. CXR normal, PXR normal, and R femur with proximal femur fx minimally displaced. FAST neg. Give tdap and bag of LR. Further eval shows pain in right leg from femur/knee/tib/ankle and also left femur/knee/tib. As mentioned obvious fx right Colles, with pain in right elbow/forearm/wrist/hand and  also pain left forearm and wrist. That makes for man scan + a whole ton of xrays in all extremities.

Spoke with ortho on the phone in R9 due to known femur fracture. Vitals on R9 exit unchanged. To the CT scanner. Nurse calls from xray after CT done and asks for small amount pain meds as patient now c/o more pain, especially in right leg and arm. Dilaudid 0.5mg ordered. Patient comes into main ER literally 90 minutes after initial presentation due to so many xrays! (This is my fault). Labs unremarkable, Hgb 11. I see the CT scans but nothing obvious to me, no head bleed, no c-spine fx, no PTX, no obvious free fluid in belly. See patient as she as she comes back bc ask for more pain meds. HR now 120s, irregular?, BP 95/65. Ask nurse how long this has been going on, states “oh, just the last 30 min or so.” Ortho at bedside as well, wants to do sedation.

EKG done, show afib rate 120s (no h/o afib). BP cont to be 90/60s. Giving 2nd L LR, nurse start 2nd IV and get L NS going. Patient still talking and states she feels ok other than the pain in her leg. Call to Trauma (should have called earlier in 90 yo with known femur fx), but by now its been more than 100 min total time in ER. Trauma arrives pretty quickly, patient now been here 2 hrs. Agree with fluid boluses, talk about patient condition with fellow and wedge and all agree think likely due to trauma in afib and that why BP sucks.

Tell ortho that too high risk patient and unstable to do sedation. Does hematoma block right Colles fracture with reduction as well and leaves the femur in traction. Admitted to SICU after just over 2 hours in ER. CT head and c-spine only scans back and are neg at admission. About 30 min later rest of man scan comes back. Small nondisplaced sternal fx and very small hematoma (but possibly active bleeding) to right retroperitoneal area. Again speak to trauma about this. Asked about the retroperitoneal bleed and fellow states it very small and should wall off without intervention based on place. Possibly afib due to contusion? Cards was consulted by Trauma who saw patient and said to control pain, resuscitation and other trauma factors (unhelpful but true, not much for them to do).

Brings up a question I had, in setting of trauma, what medicines should be given for afib with RVR? Cardiac contusion? Or just let it ride? Trauma asked the nurse to give metoprolol but this was never given mainly due to nursing concerns about BP.

Ok, long story short, HR cont to be 120-130s, afib, BP 90/60s, after being ICU hold for about 2 hours patient had decreasing mentation. Trauma placed central line and a-line and ABG showed pH 6.8! Istat Hgb 8.0. Blood given, minimal response.

Patient intubated by trauma, arrested during intubation, one round CPR and came back, went to SICU same vitals, called in IR and intervention showed minimal bleeding, thought to likely be venous, but did have several coils placed. More blood and then pressors through the night. Arrested 2 more times throughout the next 6 hrs, family still wanted all interventions. Finally about 12 total hrs after ER presentation, arrested for about 20 min and TOD called.

Couple of main points from this case that I learned and hopefully helpful for you all:

1. As Coleman says, old people go down hill quickly, be on your guard no matter how good they may look on presentation.

2. Be careful of ordering too many xrays, me not seeing the patient for over an hour while in xray is unacceptable, I should have known the change in her vitals either by seeing it directly or have nursing tell me.

3. I knew this was a trauma admit as soon as she hit the door being 90 yo and femur fx, but I didn’t call them for a long time, why? Bc I didn’t have much to tell them (couple xrays, stable VS, man scan taking 3 hrs to get read). But just be sure to get them involved early.

4. We don’t typically repeat labs or get istat too often, but for someone like this who takes a turn for the worse, would have been worth it to get hgb after her vitals became unstable.

5. Her mentation decreased after admission, but I could have been more aggressive with central line and resuscitation (blood), she got 4L crystal but needed products.

6. This one was pretty clear cut that should not do sedation, but don’t be afraid to tell ortho ‘no’ if you’re worried about their safety.

7. I’m sure there is more, would appreciate your thoughts and comments…

2 thoughts on “Couple of recent cases…

  1. One thing to consider in these patients is exactly what the trauma team did and that’s an ABG. An initial one in Room 9, a comparison one a little later can help you understand the extent of bleeding. A base excess is indicative of under resuscitation and would let you know where they are and where they are going. Also another reason to get back on the phone and let them know that things are getting worse.

    Also as joe mentioned, repeat labs are probably more useful that your initial ones in regards to Hgb. Anybody in hemorrhagic shock or has continued bleeding, that initial Hgb isn’t exactly reliable. Remember they are losing whole blood. Meaning the Hgb isn’t exactly accurate until they are stabilized or resuscitated. I always error on the side of 1-2 points on the Hgb when having a person with on going hemorrhage (including GI bleeders, retro peritoneal bleeds, etc.)

    This would be a patient that any other facility trauma would meet when they arrived, and I think the trade of our “set up” at UofL is that although we are more prepared and comfortable handling trauma in the end, these are the types of patients we are going to manage more so on our own initially so the trade off is to do and/or recognize when things take a turn for the worse.

    Tough case, especially his injuries are easily to overlook and sit on, while waiting for trauma to come see. I agree that a laundry list of XRs take them out of your sight for quite sometime and there are some patients you just want in Room 1-4 or 21-23 so that you can just do that regular walk up and update the vitals in the your head and keep an eye on the patient

  2. Yes Dr Bales has the same take home points I would mention. An important case showing Dr Harbrecht’s and Dr Coleman’s main theme when I presented geriatric trauma at Trauma conference: These patients decompensated very quickly and almost nothing we have can predict it.

    A 90yo in an MVA with a femur fracture has a very high mortality even if the rest of the imaging is negative. I admire efforts of our residents to own management of their patients and not to consult too early and just hand over care to someone else. But in these geriatric patients (and Peds) who can tank so abruptly, it just makes sense to consult trauma early.

    I second Neagum’s ABG point, there is a good deal of literature on base excess (and lactate) in trauma (esp geriatric) and this is something trauma seems to think of before we do.

    I would also remind everyone to repeat FAST exams and to look at the IVC and the lung windows. This newest generation of residents cannot get by without learning these advanced ultrasound skills.

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